How many Bunk Beds can we Put in these Room Sizes?

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Dear Friends,
I want to put as many Bunk Beds as possible in the following rooms, would you please help to me assist me to make budget.please try to give me a roughly Numbers please :

Room 1 10x14 Fit =
Room 2. 8.5x11 Fit =
Room 3. 12.5x13 Fit =
Room 4. 13x15 Fit =
Room 5. 7x15 Fit =
Room 6. 6x8 Fit =
Room 7. 7x15 Fit =
Room 8. 13x15 Fit =
Room 9. 12.5x13 Fit =
Room 10. 10x14 Fit =
Room 11. 8.6x11 Fit =

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Re: How many Bunk Beds can we Put in these Room Sizes?

Have you checked with your local Council? There could well be regulations you need to meet.

It is not a good idea to cram the bunks into a room. You have to experiment with what looks and feels right.

A lot depends upon the position of doors, windows, etc.

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Re: How many Bunk Beds can we Put in these Room Sizes?

I saw a guy who put 8 beds in a midiam size room and there is only small space to walk in but still, his hostel is full all the time and has still good rating on Hostel world and HB .coms . How he could put so many beds? there is no regulation in New York? I can't understand. Can some one give me roughly idea for my rooms?

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DreamHostel wrote:
Dear Friends,
I want to put as many Bunk Beds as possible in the following rooms, would you please help to me assist me to make budget.please try to give me a roughly Numbers please :

Room 1 10x14 Fit =
Room 2. 8.5x11 Fit =
Room 3. 12.5x13 Fit =
Room 4. 13x15 Fit =
Room 5. 7x15 Fit =
Room 6. 6x8 Fit =
Room 7. 7x15 Fit =
Room 8. 13x15 Fit =
Room 9. 12.5x13 Fit =
Room 10. 10x14 Fit =
Room 11. 8.6x11 Fit =

Are those dimensions in feet or meters? Cool

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Re: How many Bunk Beds can we Put in these Room Sizes?

These are all in Fit and it is written in the front. Please just give me roughly idea how many Bunk beds and total bed I am able to put there, just aproxmate idea.

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Room 6. 6x8 Fit =

6 x 8 feet = 1.82 x 2.43 meters = 4.42 square meters. Shock

Not exactly oversized... I have never slept in such a small room. I think it would be a pretty claustrophobic experience for most guests.

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Room 4. 13x15 Fit =

That´s your biggest room, 18.1 square meters. Big enough to be a double room.

Please forget that property. It won´t work. Your guests would go crazy in these cells!

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Dear Santa,
I am not taking here single or Double Rooms, I am in New York and I am talking about Bunk Beds. There are lot of Hostel which I know well and I know the room sizes, there rooms are smaller than me or similar and they are still doing exellent. They still getting good comments on HW and HB coms.

I know some locations in which smaller than me and they have more than 50 bunk beds on that their locations. I think you are not fimilar with bunk bed Hostels In NYc the rooms sizes are smaller.

I don't know what you talking about it?

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Speaking as one who has had more than 45 years experience of staying in hostels - Santa - I completely agree with you.

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I can´t compete with Plakian´s 45 years, but I have worked 10 years altogether in 2 YHI hostels and a hostel chain of 4 hostels.

I am absolutely serious that 4.42 square meters are good for a well-sized bathroom, but not for sleeping in it. I am aware that rents are quite expensive, hence smallish room sizes are to be expected in New York city, but you have to consider that most of your guests would be from Europe, where we are simply not used to sleep in such tiny rooms.

There is obviously a severe shortage of hostel beds in New York, so I´m not surprised any hostel is doing well economically. I have some doubts though that the guests are very happy with these places.

I assume most of us here on this board do not only run hostels to make a good living, but also because we genuinely like travelling (and travellers) and set up our hostels in a way that we would use our own hostels as travellers, too.

I am highly suspicious of hostel owners who stay in hotels (i.E. when they attend hostel conferences)!

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The days of cramming as many bunks as possible into a room are long gone, thank goodness. The standard of hostels in Europe, in particular, has risen dramatically in the past 10 years.

DreamHostel, I suggest you use some of your money on a fact finding tour of Europe.

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Dear DreamHostel,

As a rough standard you can take at least 8-10sqm (86-107sqft) for the first bed of the room, then additional 4-5sqm (43-53sqft) per beds.

This is because we are counting not only room for the beds 2sqm(21 sqft), but needs room for the lockers, accessories, etc. but most of all people need to move along, even with luggage, and the most important: safely!

According to your list, the results would be the following:

Room 1 10x14 Fit = 140 sqft = 2 bunks = 4 people
Room 2. 8.5x11 Fit = 93 sqft = 1 bunk = 2 people
Room 3. 12.5x13 Fit = 163 sqft = 2 bunks = 4 people
Room 4. 13x15 Fit = 195 sqft = 3 bunks = 6 people
Room 5. 7x15 Fit = 105 sqft = 1 bunk = 2 people
Room 6. 6x8 Fit = 48 sqft -> too small!
Room 7. 7x15 Fit = 105 sqft = 2 bunks = 4 people
Room 8. 13x15 Fit = 195 sqft = 3 bunks = 6 people
Room 9. 12.5x13 Fit = 163 sqft = 2 bunks = 4 people
Room 10. 10x14 Fit = 140 sqft = 2 bunks = 4 people
Room 11. 8.6x11 Fit = 95 sqft = 1 bunk = 2 people

Total capacity: 38 people. This is still theoretical.

If you have a blueprint of the building, you may be able to set up the whole thing caring about the doors, windows, room shapes as well. it could be a PitA when you can't install a bed because it is blocking the doorway! Rolleyes

I hope you have encountered space for the necessary rooms such as reception, common room(s), laundry & kitchen!

I think the best would be to check your local zoning laws as well. Unless you want to run a business illegally, which would not only risk your investment, getting possible fines and your business closed but also taking your personal liability in case of fire, etc.

Finally a personal advice:

Klaus, Plakian, and all these people in this forum are about to help each other.

If we say something is not possible, it happens because we have experienced some difficulties with that kind of matter, and we wouldn't encounter it as a possibility. Even I said WTF to myself at the first sight...

We are running hostels for years, having an experience which you may will have later or not, sharing our experiences, know-hows, ideas... in exchange with people who would like to run places like ours, including YOU.

Please respect that and please don't insult anyone about their experience in such matters... Especially when we have more experience about running hostels than yours! Cool

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Dear AboriginalHostel,
Thank you so much, I agree 100 % with you. I can say that you are really good Exprienced Person, so atleast you come up with an aprox. idea and that is more than perfect one. But Santa completely denied that if I am able to put any beds in these rooms(except 13x15). It may be less Numbers but cannot be Zero beds? He almost make my plan as Zero while New York City, Department officialy issued C.O. for 9 Bed Rooms for for families ( means one Private Bed) in each room ) He told me that I am only able to put the beds only in One Room(13x15) so that makes me very nervous discouraged to comments like that kind of reply. My mean is not to insult anyone, we gether here on this site to help each other, advice each other honestly like you did. Not to dicourage someone right? Do you agree that we can put atlease 35beds not just only, just only 2, Bunk Beds in entire building ? Who is right, you are right?, Santa is right? I am right? AborigianlHostel is more than right. because did given the no. hoestly.while Santa's comments was just to discourage to anyone who is willing to open hostel and every one on this site.

Dear AboriginalHostel , I really appriciate your breakdown of beds.I wanted to put less than 35 beds. Some one in new york city visited my my location and he counted and told me you can put easily 50 Bunk Beds.In New York City the Room Sizes are really too small I agree that is not like Europe but still people like it. . I want to tell you that except these Rooms, I have an antire floor 22x61=1342SQ Fit Free Space to provide a Social areas with sofas, TV, Free Wii to Play, Storage Room for Guest, Small Reception Room,Telephone Booth, BreakFast Room, Loundry Room for Guests, 2 Kitchens, Space for BBQ(Back Yard)

Thanks for giving me your honestly numbers I really appriciate it very much.

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Don´t worry, no offense taken.

However, I don´t post here to confirm anyone´s opinions, but to tell what I think.

So, here is what I think.

I assume you can fill any sort of hostel in New York right now, no matter how crammed it is.

Still, you have to consider one thing: if you invest a lot of money right now, you probably want to make sure your hostel is still competetive in five or ten years, when there could be dozens of hostels in town, like in Berlin for example. I lived there until 1997 - there was only one independent hostel, and it was that sort of crammed place. It does not exist any more, because it would have no chance in a market with more than 50 hostels, most of them pretty large and with all mod cons.

If I was to start a hostel anywhere, I´d make sure it is better than all the others in town, because standards are constantly going upwards, and you don´t want to be uncompetetive from the start.

As my brain only processes figures in the metric system, I did not calculate the size of all your rooms, only the two smallest and biggest ones. Your biggest room has 18 square meters - that´s exactly the size of our double rooms. 15 sqm for the room itself and 3 sqm for the attached bathroom. With a bit squeezing, that could also be a quad with two bunks in it.

That´s as much as I can say without seing the floor plan. Maybe you can remove some walls and turn two tiny rooms into - a small one. I am sorry if that discourages you. I think that house would not be a good hostel. How big is it altogether? My rule-of-thumb is 10 sqm = 1 bed capacity.

Is your plan to run that hostel yourself? In that case you would have to live in that house, too. Which means less capacity. Or do you want to rely entirely on hired staff? You will have to pay for 24/7 staff. I figure that´s not cheap in New York - so you will have to get a house with enough space for 50-80 beds.

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Dear Santa,

In NYC the average room size are small compare to Erope and that is Standard not only my Rooms are small it is Standard sizes in New York.

I my country even bathroom are bigger than rooms. if you go to Hongkong you would find the rooms even smaller than NYC.

I saw many hostels in NYC and they have similar rooms and still able to put many Bunk Beds. Like Aborigianlhostel calculated the beds that was right calculation. Even two of the Hostel owner came to my Location saw the entire building and one the guy suggested me around 40beds easily and while the other guy told me is 50 beds, I was thinking for just to put 35beds. I have an entire floor 22x61=1342 SQ fit Area for Social Area. I owned the building and I am not going to live there, I am going to hire a manager and I have an exprienced person. I know how to manage, save the management cost.

Your comment that "I am able to put bunk beds in only One room and forget this building" was really discouraging. You may never seen the New York Hostels.

Anyway, it's ok. Aboriginalhostel incouraged me back as my origianl plan.

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Have you thought about turning the building into a boarding house or a B&B?

It sounds much more suitable for that sort of thing. 3 floors = 6 apartments. One of them for the person who runs the place. You can easily charge $200 per night for a well-equipped apartment.

Having only 5 couples instead of 35 backpackers requires much less work - the potential revenues would be almost the same. One person would easily be enough to run the place.

I believe New York hostels have small room sizes. When I travel, I am willing to sacrifice space, but I have to breathe! Your average guest wouldn´t come from Hon Kong, where 10 persons live in one-bedroom apartments - they would be from Europe. We are simply not used to such small rooms.

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Dear Santa,
That is good idea too. I know a person in Manhattan who charge 350-450night for a small studeo apartment for one night and he required minimum 3nights to book.his apart has no rooms, only one small room with small kitchen and small bath and still it is full all the time. for me 250 would be fine. his location is exellent too. Mine is not too bad either. What is B&B?( I asume Bread and Breakfast?) I am still finding the facts. But I want to know more advice from you guys who runs the hostels? NYc has really crazy demands of beds. Let me know if you have any good advice.

Thanks.

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B&B is 'Bed & Breakfast'. I'm surprised you're not familiar with the term since this is quite popular in the US, even more so than hostel in many areas. B&B in america caters totally different type of guests though.

I think it depends on the market. In your area if the need for hostel beds is high then you just go ahead and open your hostel business. Or you can just do some research around the city if B&B business is profitable as well, maybe you can do it with much less operating costs. You posted in the other thread regarding to the zoning code. All I know is in my area (DC) the building you can run a hostel/inn type of business needs to be commercial only (with higher density). But you can open a B&B in a residential building. You just rent each room for 1-2 people and provide some real breakfast. In NY there are really nice B&B places and if you're interested in how they run the place, you can try to stay there for one night. I love staying in both hostel and B&B while I was in Europe. In america so many B&B places are way too expensive.

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BTW, I'm a new member. I'm opening a hostel myself and this webboard has given me a lot of useful advice. I've been thinking a lot about the room size and the right number of beds I should put in a room. also what's the decent number of bathrooms. Certainly the real estate price in the US major cities is very high for such small building. Most commercial buildings we looked to buy costed at least 1 mil USD and still comfortablly fit just 30-40 beds and you need to try to put at least 50 beds in it and you still don't know whether it would be profitable. It's been almost a year for us doing research and planning and surveying each neighborhood. Since we don't have experiences everything seems to move slower but in the end I believe we can finally build our dream hostel Smile

My question is whether I should try to partition my building into small rooms (150-170 ft2 4-6 beds), each with a small private bathroom or just make the rooms bigger (4-8 beds) and share a communal bathroom instead. I don't know how small is 'too small'. I'm thinking that in the US most people here love privacy that's why making smaller size hotel rooms can help market to that type of customers as well. And I also can maintain the affordability. I'm wondering if it's worth it. I got this idea after coming back from my cruise travelling and 3 of us stayed in the cabin with 2 bunkbeds. It's a tiny room (170ft2) but you can have everything a hotel provides. Please advice me if this idea is good or not. I realize the construction cost will be much higher but I'm interested in building it for the long term. I'm just not sure if other hostellers would think the same.

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Our experience is that most people prefer rooms with less beds. Our doubles and quads are really popular. These rooms should also have private facilities.

8-bed (or bigger) rooms with own shower ar not so good, because everybody wants to shower in the morning which will result in a congestion. It is good to have a few large dorms though because there are always people who just want the cheapest place to crash.

So: a mix is probably the best idea, with 1/4 of your capacity in doubles, 1/2 in triples and quads (ensuite) and 1/4 in large dorms (shared bathrooms).

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rockyluvr wrote:
BTW, I'm a new member. I'm opening a hostel myself and this webboard has given me a lot of useful advice. I've been thinking a lot about the room size and the right number of beds I should put in a room. also what's the decent number of bathrooms. Certainly the real estate price in the US major cities is very high for such small building. Most commercial buildings we looked to buy costed at least 1 mil USD and still comfortablly fit just 30-40 beds and you need to try to put at least 50 beds in it and you still don't know whether it would be profitable. It's been almost a year for us doing research and planning and surveying each neighborhood. Since we don't have experiences everything seems to move slower but in the end I believe we can finally build our dream hostel Smile

Are you planning to open in DC? How many hostels are there?
I only found 1 HI and couple of guest houses and inns...
You need to make it profitable but easy to handle as well. The size

About opening a hostel and fill it up with guests: IMHO, I think hostels and cities are living in a symbiotic relationship: If there are no availabilities, guest won't go there (or rather stay in other lodging facilities) but it doesn't mean that there is no need for a new hostel. You just have to do it better than your competition. Wink

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My question is whether I should try to partition my building into small rooms (150-170 ft2 4-6 beds), each with a small private bathroom or just make the rooms bigger (4-8 beds) and share a communal bathroom instead. I don't know how small is 'too small'. I'm thinking that in the US most people here love privacy that's why making smaller size hotel rooms can help market to that type of customers as well. And I also can maintain the affordability. I'm wondering if it's worth it. I got this idea after coming back from my cruise travelling and 3 of us stayed in the cabin with 2 bunkbeds. It's a tiny room (170ft2) but you can have everything a hotel provides. Please advice me if this idea is good or not. I realize the construction cost will be much higher but I'm interested in building it for the long term. I'm just not sure if other hostellers would think the same.

Both way could work, but if you are planning to make an upmarket, high class, downtown located hostel, which is a bit more pricey and you offer more services, then you shouldn't fail on the room size and bathrooms. Most people like smaller rooms anyway (except the tiny-tiny ones) if it's not cramped with beds all over the place. Keep in mind, it's not only the beds make the room size but the facilities and the ergonomic setup. Personally, I'd keep some rooms bigger, so you can have your bottom price even lower with the same value of the room, then the core rooms would be 6 beds ensuite, and make some 4 bedded ensuites with the chance to turn them into private double/twins if needed...

As you have the luxury to purposely build one, you can plan it much better than struggling with an existing building...

I'd suggest for you and the key people to make a holiday trip to Europe, have a look of some hostels around... so it could give you some brainstorming ideas!!! Wink

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Our experience is that most people prefer rooms with less beds. Our doubles and quads are really popular. These rooms should also have private facilities.

8-bed (or bigger) rooms with own shower ar not so good, because everybody wants to shower in the morning which will result in a congestion. It is good to have a few large dorms though because there are always people who just want the cheapest place to crash.

So: a mix is probably the best idea, with 1/4 of your capacity in doubles, 1/2 in triples and quads (ensuite) and 1/4 in large dorms (shared bathrooms).

I guess Klaus was faster! Laughing out loud

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Thanks guys for your great advice! Smile Yeah I plan to mix it up as well. The building we are buying has 2 attached buildings. The front one is just like a regular townhouse so I plan to do the old style hostel in it. It should be 8,6,4 bed-rooms with the shared bathrooms. Now the rear building is interesting because it's like a large warehouse with open space. This building will be entirely reconstructed that's why I'm thinking about the floor plan and the room size a lot. Aboriginal, you're absolutely right. I'm considering the opportunity to later convert it into a budget hotel and to increase the value of the property when I need to sell it. However, if we just construct it like a typical dorm with shared big bathrooms (similar to HI) it could work too because I could add more beds and later on if we need to sell the building, it would be easily converted to an office.

Yeah we'll do it in DC. DCplanet is actually my sibling. LOL. Before we decided to do it we've done a lot of research in the area. But what strucked me is when HI announced the renovation of the adjacent building so they could add about 150 more beds. Since then I began to look around and found out about how the existing hostels in the area were doing and that inspired us to do it. I believe there is not enough safe, affordable place for international or out of town visitors to stay in the city. That's because the DC real estate is one of the most expensive in the nation plus the DC zoning restriction involved. Many existing DC hostels are located in the outer city or just in some sketchy area. But because we want to be in the right location and the right price, it took us a long time just to acquire a perfect property in our budget range.

I stayed in many hostels in UK, France, Italy, etc. I've never been to Budapest or any eastern european countries though. I would like to be there someday. I'd love to stay in your hostels whenever I have a chance. Laughing out loud Thanks.

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rockyluvr wrote:
Thanks guys for your great advice! Smile Yeah I plan to mix it up as well. The building we are buying has 2 attached buildings. The front one is just like a regular townhouse so I plan to do the old style hostel in it. It should be 8,6,4 bed-rooms with the shared bathrooms. Now the rear building is interesting because it's like a large warehouse with open space. This building will be entirely reconstructed that's why I'm thinking about the floor plan and the room size a lot. Aboriginal, you're absolutely right. I'm considering the opportunity to later convert it into a budget hotel and to increase the value of the property when I need to sell it. However, if we just construct it like a typical dorm with shared big bathrooms (similar to HI) it could work too because I could add more beds and later on if we need to sell the building, it would be easily converted to an office.

If your hostel will be successful (and I don't think it can't be good), you don't want to sell it for a long time... You can run your name as a brand and within the next five years you would be able to open up a new hostel each year in different locations. Your company can be as successful as the Wombats, Flying Pig or St. Christopher's Inns...

rockyluvr wrote:

Yeah we'll do it in DC. DCplanet is actually my sibling. LOL. Before we decided to do it we've done a lot of research in the area. But what strucked me is when HI announced the renovation of the adjacent building so they could add about 150 more beds. Since then I began to look around and found out about how the existing hostels in the area were doing and that inspired us to do it. I believe there is not enough safe, affordable place for international or out of town visitors to stay in the city. That's because the DC real estate is one of the most expensive in the nation plus the DC zoning restriction involved. Many existing DC hostels are located in the outer city or just in some sketchy area. But because we want to be in the right location and the right price, it took us a long time just to acquire a perfect property in our budget range.

There are always place for hostels in any city if you can target your visitors and can do it better than the others. Wink However, a good location is always important as this might be the only factor you can't change later!!! Cool

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I've never been to Budapest or any eastern european countries though. I would like to be there someday. I'd love to stay in your hostels whenever I have a chance. Laughing out loud Thanks.

You are welcome to come and stay with us at any time! Wink

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Depending on how you want to look at it, you can make it more than just how many beds can I fit.

One option is to equate Profit as a function of sqaure footage. You are probably familiar with this concept living in the expensive NYC. If you have a payment of 10k/mo and sqft of 1,442 then it costs you roughly $7/sqft.

Another option is to come up with how much you expect the average hosteller to spend on you...Is it just rent for bed? Do you have vending machines, bar, store? These 'value added' items could help figure into you profit.

Do any rooms have windows? Are there rooms that can be improved and sold as couples rooms, or cheap hotel rooms? Do you have the ability to knock out non-structural walls? Some of these small rooms could be joined to form larger rooms (easier to fit more beds)? These could be good ways to segment your occupants (and money). Most places I have stayed at don't just have a one price fits all.

The hostel bar can be a money maker if you do it right, just be careful what bottled beers you sell as people will then just sneak in the same type of bottle.

There shouldn't be a problem filling beds in NYC, the question is just how much money can you make.

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Hmmm, I'm thinking of a new concept for a hostel. People lie in pods extending from walls and are fed intravenously through tubes. They wear virtual reality glasses or maybe just direct stimulation of the neural cortex to think they are at a beach or at a rave or whatever. No need for bathrooms or common areas at all. I think I'll call it 'The Matrix'. Whaddya'll think? Tongue

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It doesn't matter if you are being a smart ass or not.

In Japan they will sell beds in a f*%#ing dresser. I may have slept in a few Hostels, but I would be too claustrophobic to sleep in one of those.

I am sure they still make money.

Now on to the matter of health regulations...
I am sure you couldn't feed your inhabitants intraveneously for the same reason that many restaurants don't pass the health inspection. Plus, I am scared of needles.

As far as being in pods in the Matrix...
I was at a Hostel in Munich and there was at least 13 bunk beds in the same room lining the walls with a little bunk bed island extending through the middle.
One guy was snoring so loud, I tried to wake him, but to no avail, he was way too drunk. So I went to plan B. I grabbed his backpack and propped him up on his side facing the wall. That is one good thing about having a bunk bed against a wall... The passed out drunk, snoring (I know because I am one) is easily silenced.

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